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hey everyone got a special guest today and he is the CEO and the founder of a company called keto mojo and that’s one of my favorite units I use it I promote it it’s one of the better ones because it has several things and that’s why I wanted to bring you on to kind of explain everyone what is it why is it different and what can you do that it’s different than other meters but when you’re when you’re doing keto or intermittent fasting it’s really really important to know where you’re at you know and also do testing especially in relationship to eating and I mean fasting the worst thing is like well it’s not working in my in ketosis am I not in ketosis and the other thing is when you actually do the urine strips people have a confusion about this like what’s the difference between a urine strip and actually a blood test you know at first you may show ketones in the urine but as soon as you become more efficient and you adapt you’re gonna want to get a unit that’s the blood type blood tests you can actually have a more accurate so why don’t we just just go ahead and address that point and then we’ll have a series of questions that I want to ask you yeah thank you dr. Burke for inviting me on so you know we have a phrase here at keto mojo that measurement is the first step that leads to control and once you can control something you can improve upon it so there are three types of ketones you’ve got acetyl acetate acetone and beta hydroxy butyrate so the acetyl acetate is what is spilled into the urine when you just mentioned when you are first starting and it’s very kind of like subjective you know like what shade of pink do I have and realize that you’re only measuring what was spilled over a period of time since you lost urinated and hydration can have effects on that so some of these dehydrated they’re going to look like wow I’m really deep from herbally it must be great but no you might actually just be a little bit dehydrated so acetone represent represents about 30% of the energy that’s available to the body and then he gets quick very volatile chemical that quickly gets shunted into beta-hydroxybutyrate which is far more a stable compound and that’s what we measure in blood and that represents about 70% of the energy that is available to to the body and so that’s why in all clinical trials and all studies they measure blood because the blood as a quantitative analysis and it matches to an international standard that is laid down for it the last method of testing is acetone which is which is done in the breath and we’ve seen we’ve seen the rise of different breath analyzers and that the challenge with those as much people don’t know that unless the sensor is replaceable in that if you’ve had any sugar alcohols in the last 60 minutes or chewing gum or alcohol itself and a variety of other things you can actually blow out that sensor because what you’re basically is coating the sensor with all the sugar alcohols that are on your breath not allowing the acetone to come on in and those breast senses were originally done for actually as breathalyzers fault for alcohol which is a much bigger if you will molecule and that’s the problem with those so you can end up there having just an expensive paperweight really on your desk so all studies all doctors all clinicians blood is definitely the way to go but with our meter we don’t do blood as well in the blood we’ve measured not only the ketones but the glucose as well as two strips to do that yeah that’s what that’s one of the things that when people get a meter they they do I do get the blood I get the ketone well this one actually does both which is really cool now you do need two different types of strips yeah so so yeah and using two ships you know if you’re only measuring one part you’re only seeing half the picture and you can actually you know first of all and the basic part is like how close am I getting to ketosis so measuring your ketones for that you see yourself gently rising up once you get to the threshold of 0.5 millimoles that’s the threshold of nutritional ketosis and between 0.5 and roughly 3 is sort of like the optimal zone higher isn’t is not necessarily better and don’t go chasing ketones out there you to work out what your bio individuality is and and to do that it sort of let get to learn what your baseline is so first you get the joy of the gamification if you will like how close am I getting to ketosis if you’re not getting there what’s going on in in your diet and what you are doing to help you that’s preventing you and that’s where glucose can come on in and I liked it you call it’s looting out your trigger foods so Glueck glucose moves really quickly in the body you know if you have ice cream or carbohydrates that very quickly within 60 minutes is going to be converted into glucose and then the body has to have an insulin response to that to manager otherwise you get diabetes so you will see your glucose spiked on up really quickly if you’ve had a food that contains glucose on it and then that can tell you pain maybe I should avoid that don’t generally keep weak say keep the the swings under 30 milligrams per deciliter for Americans well that’s roughly 1.7 for Europeans and millimoles and glucose you want to keep those those Rises very kind of like small so that’s like number one you can do with a glucose drip and one point about that like the higher the higher the glucose reading the less ketones you’re gonna actually have because the body is going to be running on that glucose and not the ketones bingo it will preferentially say hey I’ve got to use the glucose and manage that which means it won’t produce anymore ketones and then you’ll slowly see your ketones drift down ketones move very very slowly you gotta think of them like a slow-moving Tortoise and the hare thing in that respect so the second thing you can do is I have a perp personally I have an issue with sugar alcohols sorbitol respiratory towles any of the towles what I find is I might not get that glycemic spike what I do so I find is that my my ketones start to drift down and what that tells me is I may not have been having a glycemic response glucose going up but might I have had an insulin response to those sugar alcohols and this is one of the things that really comes into play just because it says keto on the label doesn’t mean it’s keno for you everybody’s a little bit different in that respect and that’s why we relate to proteins about bio individuality you know one size does not fit all and you kind of like need to work out what right for you and your body some people have an issue with dairy – this is interesting so you have two things you have glucose you have insulin people have this idea that well glucose is the only thing that will stimulate insulin there’s actually non glucose things that can stimulate insulin even protein can do it so then the low fat protein like even whey protein so if the insulin goes up but your glucose doesn’t go up that’s gonna knock you out of ketosis as well so this is a great tool to be able to identify what foods Mike you can’t eat on your program and even with the Aquino Fritz so-called friendly foods you have people using multiple dextran dextrose Tex what else Lee is to use um tapioca starch like these yes yeah yeah all of those those fiber fillers can that can have an effect on some people but not on yeah I mean if you can get away with it like all power to you you know I mean I’ve tasted that a lot of the Congress is some of these keto foods and like I’m like mmm that sounds that’s so delicious but the things like probably eating entire plate cuz that’s what triggers me and so like I I personally steer clear from those and and do but you know the highest of desserts for me is strawberries and cream hey that’s great I I can do this sugar cause I can I like salat all I even like alamos but I don’t do well with Murray throat all for some reason so it’s just one thing that I’ve discovered yeah monk fruits I kind of a go-to one for me that that works out really really well yeah but we all have our own way so when you are able to test with glucose and ketones this this sleuthing aspect is a really useful tool especially when you’re first starting out but as you said you’ve got to get that baseline first to learn what is your right because you can certainly say we people run at different levels on their glucose and so normally what I say to people is find your baseline and that’s about an hour after waking because when you first wake up you’ve got that dawn phenomenon which basically gives you that cortisol spike in the morning so when you get a a cortisol spike that will actually increase your glucose so just to clarify people that don’t know what the dawn phenomena is you when you check your blood sugars they should be low if you’re fasting but in the morning sometimes they’re high like you’re going wait a sec I didn’t eat anything I got high blood sugar in the morning that’s because the adrenal hormone can produce cortisol and release it mobilize it and say also you sugar goes high it’s not that you eat sugar precisely yeah and so that so that’s the challenge with that part there and now most people saying or I see a lot of literature that states dawn phenomena is about an hour but on some people we’ve seen that role for a lot longer and so that’s why it’s sort of like hey you’ve got to work out what is right for you and that’s that’s the what I call the curiosity testing to find out your bio individuality so there so you’ve got your baseline there so then a lot of people ask well when should I test I went to test if I like to do that in the morning just before breakfast so I get my baseline and your ketones are generally lowest in the morning and then they rise up during the day if you’ve been eating nice and clean and they get to their Zenith just before your your evening meal so I like to do it like a low and high just to find out how I’m doing the second time is when we’re sluicing out foods I would then do about 60 minutes after eating and I do a double test on that to see what’s going on with that particular meal now do you have to test after every meal no who wants to be a slave to the meter I mean I certainly don’t but you want to work out what is right for you so we find a lot of people test a lot to begin with work out they test they adjust the diet workout they tested the dire until they get to the point in the test they’re in ketosis they test they keep them there their glycemic response low and if there happens repeatedly and you’re a creature of habit you don’t need to test because you know you’ve learnt it you know you and your body and then from then you can move on so I find think IDO mojo is the training wheels in life you know you’re not going to stay with them all the time and eventually you’re going to be shooting on and if we’re doing great and you’re gonna be healthy and it’s like hey yeah job done that’s what we started what we got into this forest revolution to cut revolutionize the cause yeah I own some use that when someone’s having trouble and also in they’re like oh I’m stuck okay so do you are you checking your teaches well no are you checking your blood sugar man look I need that data to evaluate there’s two things that I want to mention one is let’s say for example you have coffee in the morning and you have MCT oil your how to do fat right which turns into ketones so you also have eating a meal let’s say for example you’re eating more carbs in that male versus really low carbs more fat your body will turn some of that fat into ketones and you could be in a situation where your ketones are high but you may you may not lose weight because you’re burning up your dietary ketones your dietary fat and that’s like that’s like a big thing that people get frustrated sometimes so so if you’re really in the ketosis and you get your blood sugar down okay good that’s to the side but you’re still not losing weight well maybe you need to adjust your dietary fats absolutely and you know there there’s the whole sort of like macro saying that comes into play there when I first started here I did I did track my macros I calculated my BMI and all of that stuff with a macro calculator and then every month after that I did a recalculation as my weight dropped because it’s going to change over time and also your satiety changes as well and I kept myself in a slight caloric deficit only by about maybe 5% 5 10 % something like that because I knew that then I would be metabolizing my my bodily fat and so yeah so there is there’s a misconception when people say that a ketogenic diet is a high fat diet moderate amount of protein lots of above ground leafy vegetables it really is an adequate amount of fat for you and for your journey and what you’re looking to do because remember that there are people who are looking for a ketogenic lifestyle for for weight loss then there are those that are using it maybe for traumatic brain injury or for epilepsy or because they’re using it for psychological reasons as well I mean I used to be on antidepressant meds for many many years but I found that when my key turns are between one point one and one point seven and this is me personally everybody is different that when I was between one point one and one point seven this was my sweet spot and I was able to come off all of my anti depression meds and and so when you look at the use of MCTS you know which is I like to have caproic acid see eight it’s really bioavailable to the liver and can make you a nice pop of endogenous ketones really really quickly and and so for me if I’m looking to get into my optimal zone for reason I just have a little bit of MCT oil in my my keto coffee in the morning so I want to just give people a really cool tip about this without MCT oil in general there’s something unique about the brain the brain does love ketones um but when you’re trying to get into ketosis sometimes it takes some time especially if you’re like evidence of the resistance or you’re pre-diabetic or diabetic and your body is just making more sugar and you just can’t seem to get the sugar down one thing you can do is take some MCT oil a little bit more than usual to spike your ketones now what’s gonna happen your brain will choose the ketones more than the glucose it’ll actually as a preference feel a tap hold and ketones up the brain and use that and usually if you have a problem with instant resistance you’re gonna have instant resistance in the blood-brain barrier and those ketones will bypass all that it’ll feed the brain cells and you’ll start feeling better right away cognitive and your mood because your brain is starting to get the fuel that it needs so it’s a little pack that’s very powerful and something you can speed things up as you’re trying to get any ketosis you can actually just you could take ketones to keep on salts if you want the only time I recommend that is if you’re like an athlete or you’re maybe have some type of Alzheimer’s Parkinson’s or a dimension that you want to just give some straight fuel to that brain it’ll it’ll suck it up in preference to glucose so that’s cool yeah I mean and so the exogenous ketones you know they can be quite expensive depending on your pocketbook and you know I will see at one packet might get about a million more to a 1.5 minute mole rise for about an hour hour and a half whereas MCT will for for what is 32 cents retail can if you already fat adapt it can give you over a minimal rise and last for a lot longer you know for five hours from that because your livers making it and obviously but also don’t go crazy on MCT oil because I’ve seen people do that it’s like what your tolerance is go like if you’re also one thing with the acute mojo device is really good to use if you’re pre-diabetic or diabetic to see your improvements pre and post meal by several hours so if you start looking at the dynamic fluctuations of what happens to your blood sugars and your ketones before and after meals like say one hour after 2-3 hours you can start tracking that the trends and you’re gonna see like well I’m getting better Wow it’s a great tool to in measure improvement and so evaluation is about comparing two things okay you so highly Mohammed by the way has the ability to actually tag a cm EC so post pre and post basically your mule mil so there’s an icon that is on that so you can do a little tag just to remind you hey what was going on on that one there and we all obviously have our Bluetooth connector that now you can connect all of that data and you know you’re going to you can share it put it onto your phone and then put it on to other platforms as well we’ve got some exciting news that’s going to be happening in on that front very soon very nice what’s the exciting news so we’ve been working for the last six months to build a secure HIPAA compliant encrypted health cloud and in that house cloud you’re going to actually be able to track all of your data and then what we’re also going to be working now once we have built this this health cloud we better do air simple API calls as the tech boys say it and that means we’re going to restart into linking to all different electronic health records and other systems as well so basically we want people to have access to the data but they also need to share it with their caregiving team so say for instance you’ve had a cancer diagnosis and you’re using a ketogenic therapy as an adjunct to your normal standard of care you’re gonna want to have your integrative medicine doctor you might wanna have your chiropractor you have your oncologist your radiologist and maybe even your your health coach have access to all of that data at the same time so one of the challenges of going hero is self accountability you know it’s it’s a psychological and a physiological game that gets played here and you have to change some of these lifestyle habits and that takes 30 to 60 days to really ingrain that habit and that accountability so you don’t fall off the wagon during the time is where glucose and ketone measurements can come on in because then on a daily basis you wake up in the morning new tests and you know in your state of ketosis great that means what you were doing it was right then if you’re using the GK I because you want to have a very low ratio for maybe for cancer therapy professor Thomas Seyfried fine what that means yeah that’s a good question glucose ketone index is the G ki and it is the relationship between your glucose measurement in millimoles and your ketone measurement so in America you will take your glucose measurement which is in milligrams per deciliter and you divide that by 18 and that will give you millimoles and then you then divide that by your ketone measurement so nutritional ketosis is defined anywhere under 9 so a nutritional ketosis kind of gki will be somewhere anywhere from maybe 3 4 2 to 9 that top and then therapeutic ketosis maybe you’re using this for epilepsy or for peacocks or something like that that’s gonna be roughly 1 2 3 cancer you’re gonna try and get it under 1 but that is really really really hard usually you need to be you will definitely need to be under doctor’s supervision for that you’ll definitely be for doing caloric restriction one meal a day you might even be on on metformin as well and some other stuff to really get that glucose down low because the Warburg effects is what comes into play here that I wanna touch on that one point just so people have a little reality on this this cancer thing dr. Thomas Seyfried who was he’s doing research in Boston fascinating book it’s called cancer as a metabolic disease but when he’s done he he can’t find how he’s doing in animal studies but you can’t find a type of cancer that can survive after 15 days of his protocol so he’s basically the thing about cancer cells is they’re they’re hyper glucose consumers they consume glucose at a rate I think if I’m not mistaken it’s like a 33 times more than normal cells so you know you have to start them and then if you start them they they go they can’t live so to do that you want these tools to measure your blood sugars you want to get a really low metformin probably would help but you know have all the drugs I think that one probably is if you should take the B vitamins for b1 especially are the least amount of side effects or else if you don’t it could create a big side effect as a warning label on there for lactic acidosis but b1 is what you would need to prevent that problem but yeah so it’s about dropping the glucose so you can actually attack this cancer and then have the the cells the good cells live on ketones so it’s a great strategy there’s videos on this data but there’s also a recent paper that on the Seyfried just recently posted up along with Dominic D’Agostino Miriam Callum Ian and Ally nadir all about their their press pulse a pro approach and protocol so I encourage people to to read that because it goes a little bit more into detail about how they did low the glucose there and how they were using hyperbaric oxygen therapy at the same time because different cancer ferments the glucose in the cell and aerobic Li so they wanted to make a very aerobic environment so they’re trying to make it as hard as hard as hard as hard and hard as possible for that cancer to survive until eventually it’s weakens down so much that the body’s wonderful immune system can really get get into play and get his arms around it and necrotize that tumor and I’m just going to say that since you brought the topic up on cancer there’s that’s one thing I’m gonna be talking about at the summit you’re gonna be at the summit you’re gonna be testing people a lot of people that are watching now are gonna be there it’s gonna be a great event but he’s I’m going to be touching on some interesting data with cancer because um here’s the thing with the cancer there’s a this conventional view point where you have a genetic mutation and then you get cancer but this isn’t really pan out there’s too many holes in that theory and also all the different chemotherapy drugs have not really panned out to wipe out cancer because there’s too many mutations it’s all over the place well just to get to your point there I mean if you look at the rise of the cancer cancer rate since the 1970s in direct correlation to the rise of cheap carbohydrates because you’d and the obesity rate you know has our genetic code changed so remarkably since the 1970s no way no and it’s not it so it’s not like that so it’s really think that that’s a bit of a fool’s errand of that that some of the doctors are going down on the fact that saying it’s a genetic thing yeah that can that can kind of like tip the scales a little bit but not to the extent that we can see that is you have genes that are passed on from your parents that potentially could be cancer genes but it’s very small percentage the great majority of genes are affected by our environment I’m sorry the gene but the great majority of cancers affecting about our environment which means that it’s something else and so see free talks about this Warburg actually started it the whole concept but he said there’s at first there is a shift of metabolic in your mitochondria that the new metabolism starts fermenting glucose and then after that you start getting mutations which is fascinating in work so it’s like what this is a whole new concept so what I’m going to be talking about is exactly what you said but the other the nutritional deficiency is that are the perfect storm because there’s there’s eight nutrients that are really important in repair and chromosome stability and preventing breaks in the DNA and also the cellular machinery with mitochondria and if you’re deficient and I’m not talking like fully deficient like you would be in scurvy but if you’re deficient just like sub clinically um that alone could create the same damage as radiation therapy which is like mind blowing you mean that the nutritional efficiency could be just like getting radiated I mean this is like huge so anyway I’m gonna talk about that at the summit which is fascinating data and I just wanted to mention that yeah I’m really looking forward to the summit last year it was absolutely fantastic it was super well attended the quality of the speakers is is excellent and so we’re really honored to be invited back again for that so thank you yeah I think you also noticed that people that were tested there was more people in ketosis than other totally it’s funny I was at a convention in England England I’m not gonna say what it was but it was full of doctors and nurses and I tested them and no one was in a state of nutritional ketosis and I asked the group has anybody actually practice this or lived it and they were using it as therapies for the epileptic community and I go oh I don’t need to do it because well maybe in 20 years and I’m thinking like oh my god the damage that you’re doing but this is – no this is where they I love the work that you’re doing and others in the community is by sharing the information we can put it out there and this is what I call about weaponizing the consumer we need to give as much information as possible to the consumer so they can make them well judged choices of what they need to do but I’d like to come back to what you said about radiation therapy there a little bit my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer she’s now seven years clear which is fantastic for that but we wish we had known then what we know because it would have been a massive game-changer I think in recovery time and whether or not we would have gone for the standard of care there would have been something really up for a much more heated debate than what it was because the effects of the radiation therapy can be pretty harsh to the to the body and I think I think when you talk about nutrient density and making sure that we have all of that good which to give our bodies what it needs is vitally important people I don’t talk about in the Canadian community that’s nutrient density but I always want to touch a little bit on that ketones is not just energy it has a signaling effect within within the body and when we talk about cancers and rise of cancers is it can up regulate gene expression and down regulate are the gene expression and just as the converse can glucose can do that so if you were predisposed to have a cancer and now you’ve got a large amount of glucose with whether you can be up regulating those genes that you don’t want to be doing that alarming for that that room for that to come on into play I think the work that’s going to be done on the signaling aspects of ketones is going to be really exciting especially in the neurological world coming up in the future I love it I love it well this has been really good is there any last points that you wanted to mention anything new well I think the next 60 days and key to mojo are going to be probably the most exciting 60 day since we first launched we have a brand new website that is coming on out on there and that’s what we talked about the weapon a team of the consumer with recipes how to information what’s going on in the in the Kino community clinical trials papers it’s it’s something that the team have been working on for the last five months and we’re super excited with that that will be also paired with the the new dashboard in which you can track your health data because that measurement will lead to control and then there’s something very exciting coming for Europe can’t give you yet but that will be coming up in a little while you know what but it’ll be pretty exciting we haven’t forgotten about our European friends well there’s gonna be a lot of people from Europe watching this so I’m sure they’ll want to I’ll put the link down below guys for what he’s talking about so you can check it out but anyway thank you so much for taking the time out I think we got a lot of great data out there and I appreciate it when watching this and stay tuned for more updates absolutely okay
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Today a special guest joins Dr. Berg for an exciting guest interview. He is the CEO and founder of a company called Keto-Mojo.
Dorian Greenow is going to explain to everyone what the Keto-Mojo ketone and blood glucose meter is, and why it’s different than other meters. Many people believe this may be the best ketone meter out there. The Keto-Mojo meter is one of Dr. Berg’s personal favorites that he uses and promotes.
When you’re doing keto or intermittent fasting, it’s really important to do testing and know where you’re at. You don’t want to have to wonder if you’re in ketosis or not. At first, you might be using urine strips to test for ketones. But, later on, once you’ve become more adapted, you’re going to want to use a unit that’s a blood test because they’re more accurate.
“Measurement is the first step that leads to control, and once you can control something, you can improve on it.” – Dorian Greenow
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