Evidence for Meat in Your Diet with Michael Eades, MD
Evidence for Meat in Your Diet with Michael Eades, MD
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Has your doctor said one of the following things to you oh obesity is just a disease we have pills for that or type 2 diabetes pre-diabetes that's a chronic progressive disease there's nothing you can do about that I've got some pills and some injections or fatty liver oh you've got fatty liver that's just a disease there's no fault of your.
Own nothing you can do about it I've got a pill for that well I've got a special guest with me today and we're going to be talking about a proper human diet many doctors receive no nutrition training whatsoever and I suspect that Dr Reeves much like me got very little nutrition training in medical school but.
Since his graduation he much like I had basically basically lived in the nutrition and the archeology and the anthropology and the Paleo anthrological literature to try to ReDiscover what is a proper human diet if you eat a proper human diet will it reverse these chronic progressive diseases that are not reversible my answer is yes and I think.
His answer is yes or two yes also I please welcome Dr Michael Leeds with me I wish we could all give him a round of applause but he couldn't hear it so but you can we're welcome to Dr Michael Lee welcome Hey great to be here Ken I'm I'm honored to have you with me here today I'm hoping that we have a large audience all you guys please share this around on.
Social media immediately and hit that thumbs up and leave us a comment really quickly to tell the all-powerful algorithm this is important and people need to have access to this I've got your bio in the show notes doctor but quickly sum up your Bona fides for everyone well you know I started out in.
Undergraduate school in engineering became a civil engineer worked as a civil engineer for I don't know five or six years and then decided that I wanted to go back to medical school so did that and then started out in surgical training and then when I was waiting for my wife to graduate from medical school she was a few years behind me.
I spent a lot of time practicing in ERS and then when she got out and and got through her training we opened up a one of the first chains of urgent care centers in the country and and we ran those they were in Little Rock Arkansas and we ran those for a number of years and uh kind of early on in that I decided I wanted to specialize in.
Something and the thing that helped me along is that I became obese myself and so I uh I started thinking well you know here's a good thing that I can look into so I started delving into the research and obesity and it just all has come from there then we created this diet that was successful for a lot of patients and we wrote about that and now.
We've written I don't know 13 or 14 books on diet nutrition and have another one in the works and uh do a lot of talks and that's about it I think that you're life prior to medical school and being a doctor is very important and so you were a an engineer before and then or at least studied engineering but then you.
Were an ER physician and I think that combination just makes you look at the world a little differently than the average internist or the average endocrinologist and I uh was a redneck country boy and and and was a you know worked in just the the menial labor sector for many years then went to medical school and.
Then I was an ER DOC for about the first seven years of my practice as well so that may be something that that warps our brain to the extent where we see nutrition like you and I do um I've got some some of your slides prepared and I want you to just take the floor and explain to people that that a proper human diet is knowable.
From the from the literature and not just nutrition literature you gotta you got to dig deeper than that it is doable in that we can still do it even though we're living a modern life we can still eat that ancient diet that gave us our really preeminent Health uh before a certain time in history and that it is sustainable you'll get every vitamin.
Every mineral every amino acid every fatty acid that you need in the right amounts if you follow this way of eating so Dr Michael eats you have the floor and you just tell me which slides you want and I'll pull them up all right well you can pull up the first one the uh the Donaldson's line yes yeah this this is a this is a great quote during.
The millions of years that our ancestors live by hunting every weekly who could not maintain perfect health on Fresh fat meat and water was spread out now Donaldson's an interesting guy because he was an old-time uh uh New York physician practiced in the city and he also practiced in World War one I mean that's how old he is he kind of cut his.
Teeth practicing in World War one and his book strong medicine he talks about uh you know how awful it was taking care of people who had had mustard gas in World War one which was really Dreadful and and their deaths were really Dreadful and the worst part of it was that they knew they were coming uh even though they weren't a death's door run.
At the moment they knew what the progression was so it was really a terrible thing but he did a lot of experimenting around and then he ran into um um Bill Helmer steffensen and Alan stefanson's home in Long Island he went out there and talked to Stephenson about.
Diet now I'm assuming a lot of you know who Stephenson was he was an Arctic Explorer and lived years and years and years with the Inuit in Alaska and basically lived there on an all-meat diet and then uh he did this famous experiment with another uh Donald I mean uh Stevenson himself wasn't Scandinavian he was born in the.
United States but of Icelandic parents and he had another I think a Danish guy that went in with him and they went into Belleville or Bellevue Hospital in New York and went on an all meat diet because at this time back in the 1920s everybody thought you know if you don't eat fruits and vegetables you're gonna die and so anyway Stevenson did that.
Proved they weren't going to die all his blood parameters improved he lost weight it was kind of the picture of Health after he came out of this I think it was a year-long deal and it generated I don't know maybe a dozen medical papers in the literature back then but anyway he was a big believer in meeting him because he had seen that it didn't hurt.
The Inuit so he figured it wasn't going to hurt him and indeed it didn't so he basically taught this to Donaldson and then Donaldson in his practice almost anybody that came in with anything he would put him on an all-made diet now this was back in the in the 50s and 60s and uh and he had great results on it anyway that's that's what his book.
Is about is about his practice and if you're the least bit politically correct you do not want this book because it's uh filled with things that would get him canceled in a heartbeat if you were to write them today but it's a book of its time but it does have a lot of really useful information and interesting information in it but anyway this.
This uh a quote that I pulled out of there basically sums up this whole idea that we've had you know about 2.4 million years since we were Lucy since we were upright walking hominins to uh have the forces of natural selection work on us and they bred the out of us or bred out those that didn't do well on a diet that was basically.
Meat and a little bit of vegetation going all the way back to Australopithecus afarensis yeah and there was actually one of the hominid species now extinct uh Heidelberg engines I think is the right one that looks like it was predominantly a plant in cellulose eater we had a very prominent sagittal Ridge very huge.
Socket for masseter muscles and that hominid is now extinct yeah that was that was the line that tried to go vegetarian that's exactly right we've got a slide in there on that and that's the uh that's a pretty interesting way that they determined what had happened in that particular lineage but anyway this uh this this.
Book by Donaldson I didn't really read until after I'd already gotten going and all this and the book that really kicked me into this we were writing my wife and I were in the process of writing protein power at the time and I was just doing some casual reading One Night in bed and I came across this book called Napoleon's glands and it was.
Just a chapter after chapter after chapter of these little vignettes about different weird things in medicine and it came across this chapter about this guy named Michael Zimmerman who was a pathologist in Detroit at Wayne State University who was dissecting mummies and what I read in this was that the.
Ancient Egyptians who lived you know a thousand twelve hundred years before sugar was ever even on the scene uh had all the same diseases that we see today they had heart disease they had diabetes they were obese they had just a whole host of issues that are the same issues that we essentially had in an earlier part of my life I had really gotten into.
Egyptology until I knew what the Egyptians ate basically they were a grain-based diet and that just sort of gobsmacked me uh and so that sent me off on this whole uh Rabbit Trail of looking up the Paleolithic diet and worrying about the Paleolithic diet and learning about agriculturalists versus hunter-gatherers.
And it's really interesting because you know anthropologists can look what they call a set of remains they can look at the skeletal remains of an ancient group that were anatomically humans like we are talking about even pre-humans but anatomically humans like we are and they can look and I mean in five seconds they can tell you if they.
Were hunter-gatherers or if they were agriculturalists because hunter-gatherers were taller they had less signs of disease they had better teeth they had thicker bones uh just a whole host of signs that they can look at and tell you and when agriculture came along it was kind of good for man I suppose in.
A in an overall sense because it allowed us to have divisions of labor and have a few people raise food for the many whereas hunter-gatherers kind of all went out and and gathered on their own but it was kind of a Devolution in terms of human health and we can look at the slide the one that says uh clyber okay oh yes.
Collaber's line firstly if you don't mind I want to take a comment from one of the viewers I hear this argument very often the fallacy of this is what our ancestors always ate which he's he's assuming that you're making the fallacy the appeal to nature but they also died off at age 30 on average so it doesn't matter if they feel their arteries with.
Cholesterol they burned it off or or died how would you answer that that oh you're just appealing to Nature uh this has no bearing on modern humans what would your reply to that be well Stephen Austin who's my uh favorite anti-aging researcher in the book and his book is the one that I like the best he um said he shows based on the mortality.
Rate doubling time that and and looking at ancient remains that plenty of people way back in the day I mean even neanderthals lived up until their 60s and 70s so the fact that everybody died at 30 is just not true I mean they had a lot of they had diseases that we have antibiotics for they had trauma that we could now deal with so a lot of people.
Were killed off but they didn't prematurely age and die at 30 if they survived infections and if they survived trauma they could live to 60 or 70 years old and there are plenty of of cases and evidence of that in the anthropological literature so that itself is kind of a myth yes totally agree okay I've got collabers line up now.
Go to the go to the uh the uh uh expensive there you go okay you got it the expensive tissue hypothesis this is a paper that came out by a Leslie agilo and Peter wheeler and it came out in the early to mid 90s I guess and when I got a hold of this I thought I had died and gone to heaven because this was uh this is really an interesting paper because.
What they looked at was why there was a rapid expansion in brain size in a Devolution in gut size and what they showed and it was kind of a a uh what would you call it a just a thought experiment and now you can go to clybers law and there's this uh there's this a physiologist that was around forever he.
Was at from Switzerland originally but he spent his entire career at University of California in Davis and he measured um the the metabolic rate versus the mass of everything he could lay his hands on I mean horses elephants dogs cats mice you name it he measured it and he found out that there was this this linear relationship between the two so.
That if you knew the mass of something you could figure out what his metabolic rate was and just about everything including humans fell right on this line and so by knowing that you could go back and and pull up uh anthropological specimens of ancient people and they would fit on this line too so you could basically calculate what their their.
Metabolic rates are based on their mass and let's see let's go over to the um uh what's the other one what's the next one yeah the no the other one the uh expected the expensive teach the expected organ Mass and what they did when they did that is they based on on what they expected which is on the right.
Um given a 65 kilogram primate slash human they expected it to break out like it is on the right where these are well this is the sort of the meta metabolism or the metabolic uh rates of the various organs and if you look at Apes they come out like this but when you look at ancient man that's about the same size as they it comes out different there's a.
Much larger brain and because of the constraints of this clibber line something had to give and so what gave was the gut and so what their hypothesis in this was that this is when people switch to meat eating because they got Much More Much denser nutrition much higher quality nutrition that didn't require.
The same digestive capability as a lot of plant food did and so that allowed their brains to expand and so that's what's called the expensive tissue hypothesis and I talked to Leslie ailo about this once and she told me that she almost couldn't get this paper published and it was in cultural anthropology she couldn't get it published and they went.
Back and forth and back and forth and at the last minute kind of said okay we'll publish the damn thing and now it's the most cited paper in that entire Journal which yeah I love this I love this article I'm not even going to tell you how many times I've read this article by ILO I know it's it's a it's a great article.
Now what happens let's go to the uh the one uh uh let's go to the I gotta look and get these on a different computer let's go to the uh uh increases in hominid cranial capacity is that the one there you go that's the one you can see over time how how much that's increased uh as as humans have.
Have um developed I mean it just went skyrocketing up and that inflection point is right about the time that we really switched to a meat-eating diet and when we switched we basically switched to scavengers which we'll talk about in a minute and what's really interesting about Scavenging is that.
Chimpanzees which are our closest relatives in the in the sort of the primate line do not scavenge I mean they do meat they kill some of these little monkeys and eat them and they do eat some meat but they don't scavenge which is interesting because early humans really did scavenge and so let's take a look at uh let's see uh.
The 65 plant Foods there you go all right kind of got these out of order now this there was a paper written called man the hunter way back in the day that's kind of been disproven Now by some work that Lauren cordain and some other people did but they said that back in the day that people ate got 65 percent of their calories from plants.
And if you look at these plants and you can see how much of any of these it would take to get 65 percent of your diet and a lot of primates do that and you gotta also remember that these are all plants that have been Luther burbanked I mean I pulled these uh these numbers out of sort of current nutritional you know dietary.
Manuals and back in the day there were a lot there was a lot more fiber in the food so it would take actually a lot more to get these 3 000 calories out of these than it did back then but you can see the vast mass of that and if you'll switch over to the uh the the abdominal changes uh the rather.
There you go you can see the human on the left and the Australopithecus on the right and you can see how even the chest cavity has changed because the Australopithecus was wide at the bottom to accommodate this large protruding abdomen whereas the modern humans it's a narrower smaller waist then go to the one that's the uh.
What would it be called just click on through you go you got it the last um there you go you can see the gorilla on the right you can see a chimpanzee on the left with even a big belly and the guy in the middle is a really a true Hunter together this is a guy from Norway a Norwegian doctor that went to.
Greenland and went to the interior of Greenland back in the 1930s and found some true hunter-gatherers that were living the actual Inuit lifestyle and he measured everything he could possibly measure on them and got pictures of a lot of them both male and female and this is a fairly typical one he's 26 years old but you see what a a real.
Hunter gatherer looks like and he does not have a giant protruding abdomen and let me let me point out doctor the gorilla and the chimpanzee in this in these pictures are not obese they're good it's supposed to be like that because they are hind good for mentors they have to have a huge cecum and large intestine to break break down all the.
Cellulose that they well the bacteria they have to have room for bacteria to break that down so that they can actually get nutrition uh also the The Chimps absolutely hunt meat and we really don't know how often there's been some research that says it's probably infrequent but when you start looking looking at how long the researchers.
Actually spent with the clade of of chimpanzees they would go in and spend maybe two days with them and then every few months they go spend a couple of days so they work with them every day and then for gorillas gorillas even though they have that huge hind good and that huge gut to ferment in they still engage in a practice called coprophagia.
Which means they eat their own poop and they have to do that regularly in order to get the B12 and other B vitamins that the bacteria made but their large intestine wasn't able to absorb and then finally on the the fruit vegetable chart keep in mind everyone watching this that human beings have been selectively breeding.
Fruits and vegetables even before recorded history even before eight thousand twelve thousand years ago and there's even Zoological evidence that animals animals not humans but animals selectively uh breed fruits but you they always choose just like we do they choose the biggest fattest sweetest fruit and therefore.
That seed gets deposited at an ideal location often in a pile of poop so it's it's fertilized and so not only do humans cross breed and selectively breed but animals do that as well and so the the plants that we have today are nothing like the plants that are that were before 12 15 000 years ago true.
All right which one's done all right let's see okay so now here we come this is this is how do we determine if we're going to try to find the diet of early man how do we figure it out and there are a million different ways that you can do it and people have looked at all of these things to uh um to determine what it is and some of them are more.
Accurate than the others but I want to look at we're going to go through just a couple of them uh while we're in this interview today but let's look at the first one is stable isotope analysis but before we do that I think we've got a slide that's called determining uh says wait a minute God scavenged food we have that I don't know.
If we have that we got that we do okay let me see there there it is we talked about humans being scavengers to begin with and this uh Anthropologist called uh Rana pobenar went to Africa and did some work there looking at lion kills and to try to determine how much meat and fat and calories that that people could get from.
Lion kills and it it you might imagine it's a function of how many lines are in on the kill sometimes it's just one sometimes it's a bunch of them the more lines the less stuff there is left but you can see from that graphic on the top the the white part is the the flesh I think that's what this is that's the flesh that's available.
And what she found out is that it doesn't take very long on a wildebeest carcass to get 2200 calories which is about like four Big Macs and not a zebra carcass now these are averages it doesn't take very long she didn't spend all day doing this she was kind of acting like she was a scavenger and going out and with tools that they would.
Have had back then to get this and you can get you know a little over 6 000 calories off of a zebra carcass on average so after the carnivores are finished with it yeah right after they've eaten it they're filled and gone away and they go in and just scavenge this and that's and I don't think Dr correct me if I'm wrong but I don't.
Think she included in her calculations uh the brain and the bone marrow there's a girl no paleontological researcher Jessica somebody you may know her last name yeah and she's got a excellent paper uh with some good robust evidence that that probably was our first foray into carnivores oh yeah it's actually the lines that hyenas were finished we.
Would go in with our with a big fat Rock and we would crush the Cowboys get the brains we would break the femur and the humerus get the bone marrow and if you added those calories to what this is just available flashlights available flesh yeah yeah and I mean you're right calories on a wildebeest yeah and that's Jessica well she's at Harvard I can't.
Remember yeah I can't remember her name uh but anyway yeah that does not include the brain nor nor the Merrell uh so yeah thanks for bringing that up absolutely now what do we have uh what do we have next on this thing I kind of put these this is the stable isotope this uh the stable isotope analysis this is one of the more accurate ways of determining.
Um what the diet of early man was and we've got you know every every atom you know a carbon atom has got a certain number of electrons and a certain number of protons and a certain number of neutrons and and the neutrons vary and that means that they're Isotopes and 12 is the the regular one carbon 13 is a another one carbon 14 is another one.
That we've all heard about because we use that for for radio carbon dating as they call it and that one is not stable and it decays over time so it doesn't work for us on this but 13 is a stable one and people know what the ratios at the 12 to 13 are and you can tell by the change of that ratio of what people ate in terms of of kind of plant food and.
The same thing for protein and n14 and N15 n14 is this normal standard in 15 is a little bit bigger but you you take these things you you get into the collagen you determine or the you know the tooth enamel and you determine the um the ratio between these and it's a number that's called per ml it's a you know.
Delta C13 per ML and that tells you the difference in those and by by comparing that to sort of normals in that area at the time then you can tell basically what animals or people there ate and I want everyone listening to to just contemplate this the average doctor gets very little if any training in nutrition.
But that same doctor gets zero training in archeology anthropology or paleoanthropology zero none uh I I my opinion is is they absolutely need at least a review course in anthropology paleoanthropology because that's important how we evolved up to this point in time and so the the stable isotope analysis I've I've read so many.
Papers about this and tried to wrap my my brain around it it gets quite technical so we're we're absolutely it's it we've got the guy who can explain it to us in common sense terms so if you have a family member a friend who's struggling with their health and their diet please share this video with them right now this information is invaluable.
For them and they don't even know they need it just like the average doctor has no idea he needs to be studying anthropology right and they have no idea that this can even be determined exactly and you know and so you just take these things put them in a mass spectrometer and you can you can really glean a lot of information.
And one of the things uh what's the next slide that we've got uh one of the next things that comes up is there's a you can see over time you've got a C3 carbon and a C3 plant food and a C4 plant food now C3 plant foods are wheat and barley and Millet and those are all you know older grains that uh even pre-wheat when wheat was.
Just grass it had in photosynthesis the whole photosynthetic process it's a little bit more difficult for plants to use the the carbon 13 and it is the carbon 12 so it'll be a lower amount in that and when Maize came along it it uses a whole kind of a different type of photosynthesis where it doesn't really matter so.
They've got a lot more carbon 13 in that and so you can see over time on this graph how on the left back in the days that people ate grasses that they're C3 was predominant and then when Maize came along you see that that really take off so these are just some of the things that you can find with this stable isotope analysis so when a when a doctor.
Or a dietitian tells a patient oh humans have always a predominantly plants and you're going to do best on a plant-based diet or a vegetarian or a vegan diet that reveals a complete and utter ignorance to this information right here which I'm not saying that doctor is bad or evil they're just currently ignorant of this information this stuff is known.
And so in paleoanthropological circles it is it is considered self-evident that human beings for at least 350 000 years but if you go back even further for really probably three and a half million years our ancestors have been super carnivores meaning that 70 percent of their food intake was animal products and so if any doctor says oh plant-based.
Is best that's what we've always eaten that's just ignorance talking and still be respectful to that doctor but they've revealed to you they don't know what the hell they're talking about yeah and that was back in the you know they're thinking three or four hundred years ago when a lot of people ate plants but we were a fraction of the size we were 200.
000 years ago yes and I had a fraction of the bone cortical thickness and had tons of tooth decay uh I mean I didn't put them up on here but I've got a million pictures of just rampant tooth decay and people um even before the days of of um sugar who ate plant-based diets but yeah absolutely and I think I think we.
Do have at least one slide about that and here's here's more about the um yeah the Delta N15 yeah now here's when we start looking at protein and this is uh these nitrogen isotope ratios increase with these trophic levels so you've got a certain amount of nitrogen in the natives plants and when herbivores eat those they concentrate the nitrogen just.
Like you know in the ocean little fish eat littler fish and and turn get consumed by larger fish and larger fish we've all seen the diagrams going back up and when that happens we concentrate Mercury and that's why you know if you eat a lot of big fish you get more Mercury than if you eat a bunch of sardines and it's the same thing with.
This nitrogen in in the stable isotope ratio analysis you start out the plants have a certain amount of night stream because Nitric plants do contain nitrogen when herbivores eat them they concentrate the nitrogen and they have about a plus three per ml now when omnivores I've got this baboon up there which is kind of an omnivore when when.
Omnivores eat herbivores they concentrate it even more and they go up another three per ML and then when carnivores eat omnivores they concentrate it as well and they concentrate it from herbivores and so those are the trophic levels and if we can go on to the next slide so you're saying that with the stable.
Isotope analysis we that it's it's not questionable whether we ate C3 plants or C4 plants it's not questionable whether we ate a very little meat or a lot of meat that's that's pretty much quantifiable in the the fossil record we can do the stable isotope analysis also I know they're doing some work with.
Strontium Isotopes and to really hone down is it is it Seafood is the meat coming from the ocean or fresh water or is it coming from red meat and so again I got to tell everybody if your doctor says oh we don't really know what people ate in the past but it looks like plant-based is best that's just ignorance talking they just don't.
Currently know better but I'm going to leave it up to all you guys to educate your doctor because I know a lot of people who have done that what are we looking at here doc well the to go back to what you just said before one of the things that happened humans were such efficient Hunters that they they ended up hunting.
Out most of the large gaming areas where they stayed for any length of time and so then they had to rely on I'm sorry about that ping I don't know how to turn it off anyway they had to rely on they they turned more to seafood or aquatic uh Foods you know fish Turtles uh salamanders whatever they could get like that and you can actually see that in.
This uh this nitrogen too because sea animals concentrate it differently than do big land animals so you can you can tell that as well but this is a picture of uh a particular cave from 12 a little over 12 000 years ago and I didn't cherry pick this I mean Ken can tell you he's looked at this literature too the literature is crawling with these.
Studies and this is just one that I put up because I had the data for it and it was nice but you can see these dark colored um uh columns over here the ones the three to the left one of them's a wild horse the other is an orc which is a prehistoric cow another one's a red deer.
Then you get up to the green one and that's an arctic fox and an arctic fox is a total carnivore and then the the four to the right are humans so humans are what we call hyper carnivores because if you remember that previous slide we went from Plants to herbivores to omnivores to carnivores well you can take it one notch above that if you have.
Super carnivores or hyper carnivores because those are carnivores that ate all the other stuff plus they ate carnivores so that concentrated it even more so humans and I've got a bunch of slides that I didn't put in here or didn't send to Kin that the same thing is true of Neanderthals they were Super Hyper carnivores so basically early man.
Was a uh was a hyper carnivore and you know a lot of people don't have any problem admitting yeah neanderthals or meat eaters uh because that didn't offend them because they don't feel like they're a direct descendant of the Neanderthal but if you start saying that that homo sapiens sapien was also a super or a hyper carnivore they.
Immediately become defensive because now you're talking about their grandmother and they don't like that but literally this slide is and you're right there are scores of studies which show this exact same pattern that the the humans not neanderthals but homo sapien sapien us uh from 12 000 years ago in this case but there's multiple examples from 20 50.
100 000 years ago where we had a higher uh nitrogen isotope level than Foxes or coyotes or Wolves so we were not only eating all the herbivores we were probably eating some of the carnivores as well we had to be it had to be to concentrate it at a higher level and so that's uh I mean and you know you may not like it but early humans.
Were our ancestors were uh um hyper carnivores and that went on for a long time I mean relative to to Modern Life which is just a blink of the eye in terms of evolutionary history and we're talking about going back 200 000 years to anatomically modern humans uh some people say 300 000 years uh so that's a lot longer than just the last two or.
Three or four hundred years or even the last Millennia exactly when you're looking at it and you don't have time to genetically change that quickly so basically we are carnivores absolutely and a lot of people don't realize that our DNA has not changed in any appreciable amount that from our ancestors here 12 380 years ago but even.
Our ancestors a hundred thousand years ago you could give them a bath shave them put them in a suit and put them on Times Square nobody would give them a second look because they were human just like we are and and so again I saw another comment about the appeal to Nature this that it's kind of a foolish argument when you start to look at this.
Kind of data because it would be analogous to saying well yeah yeah I know cows ate grass you know for the last million years but that that that's just the appeal to Nature you can feed grass cows lollipops and Ding Dongs and donuts it's perfectly fine it's not going to make them sick at all well any farmer any vet any Common Sense humanism.
Is going to know immediately that you're an idiot if you say something like that so be careful about your appeal to Nature argument this is not an appeal to Nature this is an appeal to science see that there's the citation down at the bottom of the slide yeah and there and as I say there are a lot of these studies and everyone who doesn't finds.
The same thing so it's not like that there's just one or two out there I mean once the floodgates were opened then people started looking at these from you know in every every ancient uh set of remains that they can get their hands on exactly okay here's the here is kind of the evolution of of man and I put these I.
Mean sometimes the ones that go a couple of different ways there's some argument if it went one way or if it went the other way and when I put these I kind of put them in in their relative sizes and if you go back to the left that's loose hesterensis and this is the line that became more and more modern that ended up with modern Homo sapiens sapiens and.
There was another branch that the first one of which was also episcopus robustus that really puzzled uh anthropologists for a while until they figured out what was going on because they were more primitive and look look at Africa Africanus down at the bottom the second one from efferensis the first one you see look at how much more modern that.
Skull was than the robustus and they existed at the same time and so they said well this is a much more you know the Africanus is so much more modern looking but the robustness stayed the same and that looks much more primitive got the heavy brows got the heavy Jaws the heavy teeth they couldn't figure out what the big difference was and they.
Finally realized when when they developed this whole uh science of tooth analysis and that's I mean you talk about getting in the weeds tooth analysis enamel analysis and ancient remains is phenomenal what they can pull out of that because they've done experiments with all kinds of of living things and with modern teeth and suggest.
Directed them to chewing action on anything you can think of and everything it is whether it's a you know a grass whether it's a bone whether it's meat it doesn't matter what it is it leaves its own unique Mark in the enamel so now they're really good at this enamel analysis when they can take these ancient things and they can see what.
They ate and they figured out that this escalapiticus robustus and downstream from there were basically vegetarians they ate you know roots and shoots and sticks and planned and kind of heavy coarse plant food and they died out that entire line died out and the line that that followed the meat eating path lived on to ultimately become us.
So the hominid line that tried to eat a vegan diet wound up and you see up at the top of the slide the sign that says dead ends yeah yeah I mean they just that line ended and what was funny is that as it went down the line I just showed one intermediate well I showed the one and then the dead end but if if you really get into the literature and.
Go down this line as they go down the line they became more and more primitive in their look but based on radiocarbon dating they were more modern and that was the big conundrum that they couldn't figure out until they realized what was going on and that they had actually that they were more modern but they just were strictly vegetarians and that whole line.
Died out absolutely SL says are crickets part of the proper human diet I would say yes absolutely absolutely between plants and animals I think I'd much prefer you eat beef butter bacon and eggs but if you can't get that I think crickets are preferable to kale what do you say doctor absolutely I mean people have.
Eaten insects and slugs and worms and stuff that we would really turn up our noses at Forever absolutely yeah and there's a myth out there that that um that primates can absorb chitin which is the the cellulose-like uh hard shell covering insects absolutely false there are multiple primates that that eat a large.
Percentage of their diet is is is um anthropods these insects they eat the hell out of them and human beings there's ample anthropological evidence that humans have eaten copious amounts of insects uh and then archeology as well and then even extant humans now today and in many cultures it's still considered perfectly permissible so I'm.
Not advocating that you guys eat the bugs okay that's not the point here the point here is that in the right situation yes crickets and mealworms can absolutely be part of a proper human diet if you don't have access to nutrient dense animal food right yeah oh absolutely you know I have a paper.
Somewhere in fact I was looking for it the other day and couldn't lay my hands on it about these people in Utah that gathered these crickets and how many calories that they could gather in just a couple of hours and it was an enormous number of calories so uh yeah and so I'm sure that people have eaten crickets and Grasshoppers and.
Worms and who knows what since time immemorial yeah and let's just be be uh let's speak plainly here uh I don't think anyone should ever be forced Steve bugs I think that should absolutely never happen uh the only time in the past that our ancestors ate bugs is when they had no other choice and so I fear that if if the economy keeps going the.
Direction it's going in there may be a certain subset of the population on this Earth somewhere in some country who will be very happy to eat the bugs and you won't even have to make them because their hunger will drive that yeah yeah well you know another thing that I don't really talk about here and but um.
One time I was in uh Norway way up in Norway and up in the glaciers and I saw this stream trickling down off a hill and I got up and I I got a sample of the water and brought it home and had it tested and the water back then was really high in Mineral content too and that's what they drank absolutely yeah you know don't think.
About that today you know they drink this bottled water and you know back in the day the water was just filled with minerals absolutely and when I when I talk about the the daily mineral drops people are like well why do you have to supplement and and that's how's that part of a proper human diet and I'm like because Bubba 50 000 years ago people.
Were drinking stream water yeah they would drink spring water if they could find a damn spring but any country boy will tell you you don't just go over every Hillside and find a spring but you do find mud puddles and ponds and and brackish water and those things are full of electrolytes and minerals as well as Giardia and other things but our gut.
Could tolerated back then because we drank that water on a daily basis and so are the modern water in most cities and in most municipalities the only minerals in there are chloride and fluoride that's the only minerals you're going to get in that water and and you may not want those minerals and so Nation we got to reverse osmosis unit and then we we.
Put the daily minerals in that so we make our own mineral water thus mimicking again what our ancestors did from many ago right because when people go through the you know the ancestral diet they often forget about the water component of it because they had to drink water too and it was usually loaded with stuff absolutely yeah lots.
Of stuff all right now I'm going to switch over these these shifts are kind of uh clunky because uh we have a because I have a whole slideshow that I put on about this and I've just plucked a few slides out but another way so we've got you know we've got the stable isotope analysis to determine what.
People ate and then we've got actually what's called paleopathology that determines what people ate and this is a great study and again there are many many many studies like this this is not the only one this is about a group of hunter-gatherers from comparing people from about 2500 years ago to people about 500 years ago before contact with.
Uh you know with Europeans and uh and and this was all in Kentucky which is close to where kin is a state away and then but there was another one up in Ohio there even a greater data set than this it showed the same thing but anyway when you when you look at these remains and this is a pretty good study because they had almost 600.
Skeletons in various ages and what you can see at the top is that that real moth eaten skull uh looking with those little you know holes in it and it's just kind of grungy looking it's not slick that's called parotic hyperostosis and that parotic hyperostosis comes from a vitamin C deficiency or I'm sorry an iron deficiency anemia I'm sorry iron.
Deficiency anemia and it it's sore and it hurts and people who have it are miserable and when you find skulls like that you find that these people were iron deficient and when they looked at these two different sets of remains that were essentially not run on top of one another but separated by not all that far and probably the same genetic.
Material the hunter-gatherers lived 2500 years ago and the the farmers lived about 500 years ago and I don't have the slide in there but if you look at what they know the hunters they essentially meet supplement them but a few berries and and a little bit of wild fruit when it was in season the agriculturalists had.
Squash and corn and you know all the things that agriculturalists had back then and they supplemented with a little bit of turtle meat strangely enough but anyway the the farmers had way more uh well the hunters had none but the farmers had this hyperosis parotic hyperostosis if you see the bottom one inside the eye socket that's uh called.
Cribra or Battalion that's that same moth eaten looking there and that's also from iron deficiency anemia and it is miserable and 50 percent of children had that in the farmers none in the hunters the farmering culture of these uh American natives would have been basically a predominantly a corn and vegetable diet and the the.
Hunter-gatherer society would again have would have been eating predominantly a meat-based or meat-heavy Diet right and the thing that makes this study interesting and important I think is because a lot of people uh say well you know agriculturalists have more disease because they're in a fixed location hunter-gatherers don't because they're.
Always out roaming around they're always you know they're Nomads they're they're moving all over the place so they don't uh they're not going to get sick they're not going to get the infections that you get when you're crammed together and these people were crammed together they lived in in villages in Rome to hunt and so this is one where where you're not.
Comparing um people who are fixed in one place with Nomads these groups were both fixed in place yes excellent and and so the next slide if you guide now this is another sign you can see these the lines these horizontal lines on teeth this is called.
Enamel hypoplasia and enamel hypoplasia indicates a serious nutritional stress uh when basically when people are growing and if there's a severe nutritional stress they don't lay down the enamel on the teeth like they normally do and so you can see and so when you see that that's a sign of of really a time of bad nutritional stress.
And they found that it was vastly more prominent among Farmers than it was among the hunters uh next slide now these These are going to be hard to see but and I can't point I don't have a pointer but there are these little kind of whitish horizontal lines at the ends of these bones and those are called.
Harris lines they're above the joint and they're these these uh horizontal lines and those are called Harris lines and those are growth arrest lines and and interestingly enough and those are are indicators of mild nutritional stress and those were actually more common in the hunters than they were in the agriculturalists so it showed that.
Hunters had times of mild nutritional stress whereas the agriculturalists had times of really severe nutritional stress and so that's uh those are again another way that that people can look at these and tell not precisely what they ate but whether they had periods of nutritional stress.
Or lack of of proper nutrition and a tooth decay was rampant among Farmers an average of seven carries a lot of tooth loss in children there was an average of under one cavity in the hunters and some tooth loss in old age and you can see on the skull down there the skull at the Top If you see that kind of eroded area way down the the.
Bottom of the lower jaw that is a tooth abscess and that's an infection a pus pocket that's around the root of that tooth and that would have been incredibly painful and not only that could lead to septicemia and actually kill the person and for all I know may have on this yeah but and that's one one thing that we we.
Have these discrete uh different tribes or different uh assortment of people and our our commenter earlier said well they all died at 30 but I guarantee you this guy who was eating the corn and the plants when he got that dental abscess he probably died yes and he was eating a plant-based diet but he yeah he died of dental abscesses and this is something.
That I don't understand where the American Dental Association is on this or the American Association of pediatric dentists where the hell are these guys if if they really wanted to to prevent childhood cavities and childhood Dental abscesses stop the fruit juice stop the grain stop the sugar literally there would be one.
Kid out of 200 that would have one cavity every two or three years yeah and a lot of people immediately point at the profit motive and say well yeah but then they'd be out of a job if they started really pointing that out but I believe the average dentist is ethical and moral I don't think that they would say I'd rather make my Mercedes payment.
And and fill and pull teeth that are unnecessarily decayed I think if they if they really knew the information that Dr EG was talking about right here I don't I think they would give not only different advice but they would give that advice more robustly because it's one thing to say oh don't eat sticky candy but it's another thing to say if.
You don't want to have a cavity do not eat grains do not eat corn do not eat sugar do not drink fruit juice and you just won't have any cavities I think that would hit the average patient a lot differently don't you Doctor yep don't eat sticky carbs you know I've never had a dentist tell me that you know I've had them tell me to brush and floss and all.
That but I've never had one say look don't eat all that crap yeah it's interesting because they're under the average was less than one cavity in the hunters and these were people that lived up to you know old age and some of them and they had you know they they would use their teeth as tools so they sometimes had wear from.
That right but they didn't have cavities and that's really interesting I mean how many people in our society now uh live to be even 40 or 50 and not have a single cavity absolutely it's very very rare no fluoride no yeah you got to have your floor out in your floss right Alex says which is worse bread or sugar for tooth.
Decay I would say they're equally bad what would you say to that I'm sorry I didn't hear that which is worse for tooth decay sugar or bread uh uh sticky carbs are worse you know sugar kind of washes off pretty quickly right off it's gonna get stuck yeah there's I have a a great slider than included in.
This of this society that they found uh cave dwelling Society from 15 000 years ago and they basically ate acorns the the everything was was Acorn based you know they made patties of them they did all this stuff and they found all these cooking things that they used for it and their I mean they were the the mouths of these people were like uh I don't know.
Demonstrations of dental pathology I mean they had abscesses they had cavities they had oh I mean it's horrible to look at now I wish I'd thrown it in but that's that's from a sticky carb because there were no sugar I mean this was sugar didn't come along until 14 000 years later for these people this was acorns and they're not.
Even all that sweet but they were sticky carbs yeah they're starch they break down into sugar someone said how does bread give you cavities bread is just starch when you start to chew up bread you have an enzyme in your mouth called amylase that literally breaks the starch down into pure sugar from the bread before you even swallow.
The bread so I think a lot of people have they just don't have a clue about this stuff that even the most coarse stone ground non-GMO organic Ember wheat or iron corn wheat bread is just pure sugar people think it's something magical but it's just starch which is long chains of sugar stuck together.
Yeah we're gonna see some of that in a minute too yes another thing that the farmers had that 13 times as many farmers as Hunters is this weird thing people don't really know what it is but it was a periosteal inflammation it was a you know around the bones and probably painful probably yaws with treponeal disease kind of like syphilis is uh but.
The farmers had it out to Yang and that's usually a sign of poor nutrition yeah so this comparison of agriculturalism hunter-gatherers just another tool that anthropologists and archaeologists have to determine what ancient people ate and these studies that compare hunters and gatherers and Farmers or agriculturalists are really.
Enlightening and so dreamcatcher hasn't been paying attention doctor that he says that their teeth rotted because they weren't brushing their teeth dream catcher honey listen pay attention the hunter-gatherers also didn't brush their teeth but they had virtually no cavities whatsoever anyway I'm sorry I just had to address it that's all right that's.
All right I think we got one more slide in this series so the other findings in this study the life expectancy was lower among Farmers infant mortality higher more former children than factors and hunters and the the anthropologists that did the studies that overall the agricultural hardened villagers were clearly this healthy than.
The Indian knollers who live by hunting and Gathering so that was the conclusion so uh same area same era you know they all worked hard they got exercise they you know lived like ancient men did and the only thing that really separates them was about 2 000 years in diet absolutely absolutely now let's talk.
About this one this is going to be a good one who are they who are these fat people with Dad bods and yeah this is another whole area of of research because most of the anthropological specimens that people get are just bones they don't have any soft tissue and because of the Egyptians proclivity for uh mummifying people.
There's this vast laboratory of ancient remains that have actually have soft tissue and what's interesting about the Egyptians that I've found in in delving into this is that if you see their their pictures their painted pictures everyone is idealized in that they all you know they all have the you know the look and they all look thin and they all look.
Svelt but when you see the statuary it kind of shows them as they are and so you can see the various statues of all these Egyptians and you can see that the males all had breasts and they all had bellies and these breasts come from all the phytoestrogen that they ate in the huite which was emmer wheat which was an ancient wheat and the the.
Egyptians ate that and that was their that was their main food they had a little bit of beef I mean they used they used pigs to Trump seeds into the ground they used uh cattle to plow these were basically valuable animals work animals and they didn't occasionally when they died they did so they had a smattering of of.
You know large animal meat in their diet but they mainly ate wheat and they ate some honey and some oils that they had but their their main source of food was wheat in one form or another and I went to you know I've been to a million Egyptian uh shows or exhibitions and they have all.
These little figurines of people rolling out wheat on them I mean they're just all over the place there was a huge huge part of of their life and the other interesting thing about it is it was the same across the Spectrum from Rich to poor because they did stable isotope analysis on that and they found out that it didn't matter if it was somebody that.
Was really rich or somebody that was really poor they all ate a lot of Wheat and so absolutely and I think a few things are worth pointing out here I've heard the following arguments well when you look at Egyptian mummies uh or when you look let me be politically correct when you look at Egyptians who were mummifieds a lot of people think that.
That was just the upper class of people and that's not true basically it because of the Egyptian religion unless you were an abject Pauper right or a prisoner or a prisoner of war you got at least some degree right mummification and they also they lived in a very arid low humidity environment so even if you didn't get mummified we've still got pretty damn.
Good examples of remains from that time that's number one number two these uh you also hear out in the you know the influencers on the internet oh if you got to stop eating this GMO wheat This Modern wheat it's been messed with it's been modified these guys weren't eating that these guys were eating Ember wheat the ancient actual grain and their their.
Dentition their teeth are terrible same amount of cavities Dental abscesses and you can see the dad bods and you can see the belly pooches and the man boobs this is what happens from a plant-based wheat based grain-based diet and then finally if you look at the Egyptian diet in the proportions it's almost exactly what the USDA.
MyPlate guidelines tell us is the healthiest diet for us to eat it is literally the Egyptian diet right exactly you know and they had they got fish from the Nile they got they had these elaborate netting systems set up to where they would trap these wildfowl that that flew down the Nile and so they did have some white meat and they did.
Have some fish but they're predominant the main item in their diet was wheat and they uh they issued about four and a half pounds of wheat a day or of kind of a coarse bread every day to Egyptian soldiers and everybody across all economic spectrums ate wheat and it's um and you know you as you see it didn't do them a lot of good it didn't do them a.
Lot of good in the way that they looked and it didn't do them a lot of good health-wise because when they started doing autopsies on these mummies they found out that they had or these people who were mummified they found out that they had all the same diseases that we do and if you flip on I think we can show some.
Yes let me go to the next slide yes Joe we will be doing Monday Night Live tonight at 7 p.m Central on this YouTube channel it'll be Nisha and I not not Dr eids and I I wouldn't I wouldn't mind it but I'm sure he'll be busy at 7 pm all right now this is also from ancient Egypt right now this is the the teeth that you see on the left that are ground.
Down that is a common finding that you see that across Egypt and everybody but the smallest kids and what ended up happening in order to grind this wheat they mix sand in with it to help the grinding process and then they had a way to kind of winnow the sand out of it but they never got it all out and and some got out more than others and they're.
Actually ads advertisements from Egyptian times and hieroglyphics about you know don't eat Joe's bread he's got too much salmon and eat mine ours is sand free but none of them were sand free in the sand inside the uh the the flower that they made ended up grinding their teeth that and that's a characteristic look you'll see that on.
Every Egyptian every Egyptian person who was mummified that you care to look at has that same ground down tooth pattern and you can see on the right that they had that's not really a very good thing for showing cavities but there are a lot of cavities in their mouths too because they're ground down and because they had the sticky carbs and even in kids they.
Had a lot of of tooth loss uh you can go on and here this is actually a fairly young woman about 39 years old and you can already see calcium in her subclavians and her carotid arteries and her left coronary artery and her iliacs I mean they had heart disease and there's an Egyptian Papyrus that shows a picture of.
What people have said as the first representation of you know sudden death with this guy all keeled over and everybody hovering over him and the wife you know clutching her equivalent of pearls and it's kind of a sad picture as they say that nobody knows but they say that's the first picture of sudden cardiac death but the the ebers Papyrus.
Which is basically Egyptian medical book describes a heart attack perfectly I mean they talk you know when a man has a pain in his cardia it is death threatening him and it just is it could have been right out of Harrison's textbook of medicine so they had they did have a lot of coronary disease or a lot of vascular disease and the uh um we.
Can go on to the next slide oh that's the final one anyway if you the the Egyptian uh The Mummy uh data is just huge and it essentially all shows the same thing that they had all these problems that they were obese you can see the fat foals and the mummies you think them as being thin but you can see.
From those pictures of the sculptors that they were uh obese uh they had signs of of diabetes they had uh you know just all the same problems we do but magnified and they didn't live all that long and they lived up into their 50s and 60s uh some of them but that data is really fascinating and there's a lot of that that you can get in and look.
At it now instead of doing mummies they're they're basically throwing them putting them in Scanners and can find out all this great stuff without destroying the mummy and what's interesting about this mummy data is that they estimate that there is many mummified Egyptians as there are living Egyptians today it's a vast database and.
And back in the 1800s late 1800s and early 1900s you could if you'd gone to Egypt you could have bought a money I have a picture of a guy out selling them they were all over the place they used them to make paper they used them to make paint there's a paint a pigment that's called mummy Brown yeah and they also used ground up mummy Parts as as a.
Kind of a pseudo quack medicine yeah exactly in some in England in some areas yeah exactly but anyway the the kind of final slide on this is if you look at the metabolic constraint uh the clibber stuff that we talked about first we didn't really talk about modern RTC rcts but when you look at those if you go to.
Phk uh uk.org they have gathered over the last couple of decades all of the studies that compare a lower carb diet to a higher carb diet and across the board the low carb diet comes in is more effective in terms of weight loss and vastly more effective in terms of dealing with diabetes so if you look at the Modern rcts if you look at the.
Stable isotope analysis if you look at the hunter versus Farmer and the ancient Egyptians at all points in the same direction which is basically cut the carbs yeah cut the carbs and I've noticed lately doc that a lot of huge plant-based influencers I'm talking about people at Cleveland Clinic and Harvard School of Public Health and.
Tough School of nutrition they they have started they have started to shift their window of conversation a little bit they'll still say well you need to eat a plant-based diet but but now for people with with type 2 diabetes they might do better on a low carb diet and I think that that little shift because before you know keto would give.
You keto crotch and keto butt crack and keto bad breath and all this stuff but but and so it was just like no keto will kill you but now they're like well if you have type 2 diabetes ketones are probably a good choice for you and I think the next little uh step on the slippery slope will be well if you've got fatty liver probably keto is the.
Best option for you and now we've got these new FDA approved uh medications for obesity so it's probably going to be a while before they finally admit well if you're severely obese you probably need to eat keto but that's coming somewhere up the road I think oh I think it is too I think it is too if you look at the number of studies on the.
Ketogenic diet it's just absolutely skyrocketed absolutely yeah there's over 150 studies going on right now as we speak about using a ketogenic diet as a therapeutic intervention for every everything from mental health to metabolic Health to even even orthopedic problems everybody in the in the the PHD MD Community they are studying a.
Ketogenic diet right now and I tell people if you think keto is a fad you just need to go to what is it clinicalstudies.gov and look at all the registered studies right now ongoing about a ketogenic diet keto ain't no fat I'm sorry to tell you that no I mean it's it's you know that's the thing that I've been.
Thinking about and talking about for a long time I mean they talk about ketogenesis being a you know a process that takes place when you starve and the uh and it you know it helps you it bumps gluconeogenesis and it uh um you know if you don't eat the carbs you can induce it and and but they act.
Like that that's a uh an unnatural uh syndrome basically and the more I read and the more I study and all this I think that that was probably our native state I totally agree at least 2018 I think that being in at least some degree of ketosis is our is our Baseline if you go back in time I think that's absolutely true we can burn sugar we.
Can't break down and burn starch right but on a baseline level I think human beings were Inky to some degree of ketosis virtually uh every day of their existence I didn't I agree and and it just is uh you know and when you put people on them they get better I mean almost no matter what's wrong with them they get better and so to me yeah that.
Seems like it makes more sense that that's the diet that we were evolved to eat and I have this slide that I do in other shows you know where I have the road to Good Health which is right here and that's the that's the road that everybody thinks is good health and that's where we're on the plant-based low-fat high carb diet and over here's.
The railroad to good health and when you put somebody on this and they get better then the people that believe in this road think it's a freaky thing yeah but well that's just an anecdote it's like yeah but what do you do when you've got 100 000 anecdotes at what point do my anecdotes become data I'd like to know.
Coffee much to spass dock any reservations about uh 100 carnivore diet what do you say if somebody just wants to eat only meat and eggs and seafood what would you is that a healthy diet dog just as far as I'm concerned yeah 100 I've got several videos on this channel about a carnivore diet and so if you're interested in that coffee mock.
Check out my videos and and I think every video that Dr Reed's ever done even if he doesn't emphatically say a carnivore diet is healthy I think that you you if you've got any sense at all by the end of his lecture you're like oh so I could eat just meat and I'd be fine yeah I mean it's got everything you throw.
Eggs and meat uh and even dairy products together and you know what don't you have exactly you've got you've got everything you need you need a lot of excess carbohydrates doc I I'm so appreciative for you doing this tell us what do you got coming up I know tell us about your newsletter.
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